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		<title>By: When good bloggers go bad &#171; Subbed Out?</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/11/24/nytimescom-source-documents-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1225522</link>
		<dc:creator>When good bloggers go bad &#171; Subbed Out?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tweet here sort of illustrates the point. As does this blog post by Amy Gahran about not taking the reporter’s word for it when they’ve quoted something [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] tweet here sort of illustrates the point. As does this blog post by Amy Gahran about not taking the reporter’s word for it when they’ve quoted something [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Veckan som gick - vecka 48 at Same Same But Different</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/11/24/nytimescom-source-documents-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1224657</link>
		<dc:creator>Veckan som gick - vecka 48 at Same Same But Different</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] en intressant text om att redovisa sina källor och länka vidare: Today the New York Times published on its site this story by Gardiner Harris: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] en intressant text om att redovisa sina källor och länka vidare: Today the New York Times published on its site this story by Gardiner Harris: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; Tracking a Rumor: Indian Government, Twitter, and Common Sens&#160;&#8212;&#160;contentious.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#160; Tracking a Rumor: Indian Government, Twitter, and Common Sens&#160;&#8212;&#160;contentious.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] or interesting information, say so clearly! Just a like when professional journalists rely on source documents or press releases, transparency counts! It doesn&#8217;t take much time to include a link in your [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] or interesting information, say so clearly! Just a like when professional journalists rely on source documents or press releases, transparency counts! It doesn&#8217;t take much time to include a link in your [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; Press releases: If you use them, say so and LINK BACK!&#160;&#8212;&#160;contentious.com</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/11/24/nytimescom-source-documents-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1224490</link>
		<dc:creator>&#160; Press releases: If you use them, say so and LINK BACK!&#160;&#8212;&#160;contentious.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wrote about how the New York Times missed an obvious opportunity for transparency by failing to link to (or publish) source documents released during a court [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Amy Gahran</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/11/24/nytimescom-source-documents-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1224484</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Gahran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that trust -- especially in news and information -- should never be blind. It needs to be earned every day. 

This is not to meant denigrate the work  of the many good journalists and news orgs out there. Rather, it&#039;s just to say that by simply being transparent about your process wherever possible, so that people can check your sources or pursue their own inquiries further, you give people even more reason to turn to your work when they&#039;re in need of information.

I think for too long news orgs and journalists have relied too heavily on semi-blind faith in their news brand. Partly that was because of the limitations of print and broadcast media (no links, limited space/time, not easy to compare to other reports, etc.). 

But now, people&#039;s access to information are changing -- and so are expectations. This raises the bar for earning trust. &quot;Because I said so&quot; is no longer good enough if proof is just a link away.

My point here is that linking to sources wherever possible is one important way to retain trust in this changing environment. Because failing to do so can look lazy, condescending, or like you&#039;re hiding something.

- Amy Gahran
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that trust &#8212; especially in news and information &#8212; should never be blind. It needs to be earned every day. </p>
<p>This is not to meant denigrate the work  of the many good journalists and news orgs out there. Rather, it&#8217;s just to say that by simply being transparent about your process wherever possible, so that people can check your sources or pursue their own inquiries further, you give people even more reason to turn to your work when they&#8217;re in need of information.</p>
<p>I think for too long news orgs and journalists have relied too heavily on semi-blind faith in their news brand. Partly that was because of the limitations of print and broadcast media (no links, limited space/time, not easy to compare to other reports, etc.). </p>
<p>But now, people&#8217;s access to information are changing &#8212; and so are expectations. This raises the bar for earning trust. &#8220;Because I said so&#8221; is no longer good enough if proof is just a link away.</p>
<p>My point here is that linking to sources wherever possible is one important way to retain trust in this changing environment. Because failing to do so can look lazy, condescending, or like you&#8217;re hiding something.</p>
<p>- Amy Gahran<br />
That way,</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/11/24/nytimescom-source-documents-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1224483</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you that we should ALWAYS link to extra info when it&#039;s available.
But the &#039;taking their word for it&#039;? 

I think that&#039;s part of the problem news organisations face... if people don&#039;t trust the NYT to tell them the truth then what is the point of those journalists at all? Why not just link to the court papers and have done? 

As a journalist I consider it part of my job to summarise and present the facts. I&#039;d link to the sources for those who were interested but I&#039;d expect my story to provide a factual and accurate precis for those who didn&#039;t have the time.

If readers - especially people like Amy - don&#039;t trust journalists to do that then we really are in trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that we should ALWAYS link to extra info when it&#8217;s available.<br />
But the &#8216;taking their word for it&#8217;? </p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s part of the problem news organisations face&#8230; if people don&#8217;t trust the NYT to tell them the truth then what is the point of those journalists at all? Why not just link to the court papers and have done? </p>
<p>As a journalist I consider it part of my job to summarise and present the facts. I&#8217;d link to the sources for those who were interested but I&#8217;d expect my story to provide a factual and accurate precis for those who didn&#8217;t have the time.</p>
<p>If readers &#8211; especially people like Amy &#8211; don&#8217;t trust journalists to do that then we really are in trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/11/24/nytimescom-source-documents-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1224482</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Assuming these documents are available online...&quot;

Funny. I read that and hit ctrl+t, ready to race off after &#039;em, then paused - stopped myself really - and read the rest of your post. You make some excellent points. 

I gotta admit though, if they started doing the leg work for us, I&#039;d kinda miss the scavenger hunt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Assuming these documents are available online&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny. I read that and hit ctrl+t, ready to race off after &#8216;em, then paused &#8211; stopped myself really &#8211; and read the rest of your post. You make some excellent points. </p>
<p>I gotta admit though, if they started doing the leg work for us, I&#8217;d kinda miss the scavenger hunt.</p>
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		<title>By: Suebob</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/11/24/nytimescom-source-documents-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1224480</link>
		<dc:creator>Suebob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of my pet peeves about old media. They do not seem to realize that we expect rich formats to take us from two-dimensional words on a page to three-dimensional stories. It is ridiculous to quote a source or to describe a video without links to it. When will they catch on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of my pet peeves about old media. They do not seem to realize that we expect rich formats to take us from two-dimensional words on a page to three-dimensional stories. It is ridiculous to quote a source or to describe a video without links to it. When will they catch on?</p>
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		<title>By: Alii</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/11/24/nytimescom-source-documents-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1224477</link>
		<dc:creator>Alii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your comments on taking their word for it. That&#039;s the scariest part. In the age of the internet where (insert randomly  made up percentage) of online information is open-source, why on earth would we believe anything the NYT says when everyone and their brother is able to offer their opinions? Without proper verification even major news organizations will be held up equally with random bloggers posting on the same topic. And, it looks like from your Googlefu and linktrail, the &#039;random Bloggers&#039; ended up being more informative and possibly more influential that the NYT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your comments on taking their word for it. That&#8217;s the scariest part. In the age of the internet where (insert randomly  made up percentage) of online information is open-source, why on earth would we believe anything the NYT says when everyone and their brother is able to offer their opinions? Without proper verification even major news organizations will be held up equally with random bloggers posting on the same topic. And, it looks like from your Googlefu and linktrail, the &#8216;random Bloggers&#8217; ended up being more informative and possibly more influential that the NYT.</p>
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