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		<title>By: &#160; Nokia Talks More (Much More) About US Service Problems&#160;&#8212;&#160;contentious.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#160; Nokia Talks More (Much More) About US Service Problems&#160;&#8212;&#160;contentious.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 22:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 15: Introductory post, in which Nokia promises to specifically respond to my six suggestions for their US [...]</description>
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		<title>By: contentious.com - Rupert Howe mourns his dead Nokia N93</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/21/nokia-usa-its-not-your-intermediaries-its-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1219514</link>
		<dc:creator>contentious.com - Rupert Howe mourns his dead Nokia N93</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] North America (where Nokia&#8217;s service and support for its N Series phones may be slightly, um, more limited than what he&#8217;s accustomed to in the UK), I left a comment to warn him about the situation [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] North America (where Nokia&#8217;s service and support for its N Series phones may be slightly, um, more limited than what he&#8217;s accustomed to in the UK), I left a comment to warn him about the situation [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Gahran</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/21/nokia-usa-its-not-your-intermediaries-its-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1219042</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Gahran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a bunch for that thoughtful, constructive comment Charlie. I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/24/nokia-usa-how-to-turn-talk-into-action&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;responded here&lt;/a&gt;.

- Amy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a bunch for that thoughtful, constructive comment Charlie. I <a href="http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/24/nokia-usa-how-to-turn-talk-into-action" rel="nofollow">responded here</a>.</p>
<p>- Amy</p>
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		<title>By: contentious.com - Nokia USA: How to turn talk into action</title>
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		<dc:creator>contentious.com - Nokia USA: How to turn talk into action</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] today Nokia&#8217;s Charlie Schick posted a thoughtful comment about how Nokia and its current and would-be customers might, through talking openly together, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nokia Conversations</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/21/nokia-usa-its-not-your-intermediaries-its-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1219033</link>
		<dc:creator>Nokia Conversations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;When things go wrong with updating your device software...&lt;/strong&gt;

It&#039;s not fun if a device you cherish stops working after a software update. Unfortunately, this is exactly what happened to Amy Gahran. Amy recently posted articles on her experience trying to recover her device after a failed software update....</description>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/21/nokia-usa-its-not-your-intermediaries-its-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1219020</link>
		<dc:creator>charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy,

Two things contributed to my silence yesterday - I was offline most of the day and I really spent a lot of time thinking how to best bring your discussion onto our site, so I was doing my homework before I went further (I needed to contact a bunch of people to find out what we actually do).

1) I see from my email headers that there has been some discussion and as soon as I get off here, I&#039;ll see what they say. But, PLEASE, let&#039;s together make sure that this isn&#039;t a one-off &#039;help Amy&#039; thing, which seems to happen when a blogger pipes up. Let&#039;s see how this can effect a real improvement in some sort of reasonable amount of time (also see next)
2) My comment on &#039;intermediaries&#039; wasn&#039;t to shift the blame. Tut tut. It was saying that your category of problem (service) was a complicated beast. To me it&#039;s a mix of warranty (ask Darla), FW upgrade (you feel that pain), and the channels (particularly in the US). the comment was to step back a bit and think of all the other incidents that you and I have heard of (and the ones we haven&#039;t).
3) Wow. This was a great article. It has many aspects and I think it&#039;s pivoting around your krappy experience with the FW update. I think you could make a deeper post in each of these items you list.
4) (sticking my foot in my mouth) Sigh. What pains me most is that you CARE and you have to suffer such an experience. But, it&#039;s sad to think of all the people who don&#039;t care that we turned off. Gosh, that&#039;s krap.
5) (sticking foot deeper in mouth) Yeah, it&#039;s obvious that sometimes the FW updater bricks a phone. Indeed, I hold my breath every time. But, it seems to be improving (it actually saved my son&#039;s N81 user data - finally). And it&#039;s been really popular. BUT, yeah the big BUT, maybe we should have been prepared for any of those rare instances when it BRICKS THE PHONE. Sigh.
6) (last sticking of foot in mouth) Well, yeah, if you pay a lot for a device, there are certain expectations.

So, let&#039;s keep this visible (even after anything gets fixed for you). Please don&#039;t expect instantaneous responses, though, partly due to time zones (I am in Finland) and partly due to me liking to due my home work so as not to say something misleading, stupid, asinine, wrong, costly, and so forth (but don&#039;t let me take too long to respond). :-)

I hope mojo and MsJen can vouch for me. :-D

&#039;Later
Hey, and I&#039;d like to excerpt a few of these comments from you and Beth. I&#039;ll try to post something by end of day today.

Ok?

Ta.

Charlie

PS As for sales price, distribution channels, etc, let&#039;s see if we can split those discussion up instead of all on one place. Also, for me, at least, those are much bigger issues than I can respond to. Though it&#039;ll be circulated for comment and any action. Ja?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy,</p>
<p>Two things contributed to my silence yesterday &#8211; I was offline most of the day and I really spent a lot of time thinking how to best bring your discussion onto our site, so I was doing my homework before I went further (I needed to contact a bunch of people to find out what we actually do).</p>
<p>1) I see from my email headers that there has been some discussion and as soon as I get off here, I&#8217;ll see what they say. But, PLEASE, let&#8217;s together make sure that this isn&#8217;t a one-off &#8216;help Amy&#8217; thing, which seems to happen when a blogger pipes up. Let&#8217;s see how this can effect a real improvement in some sort of reasonable amount of time (also see next)<br />
2) My comment on &#8216;intermediaries&#8217; wasn&#8217;t to shift the blame. Tut tut. It was saying that your category of problem (service) was a complicated beast. To me it&#8217;s a mix of warranty (ask Darla), FW upgrade (you feel that pain), and the channels (particularly in the US). the comment was to step back a bit and think of all the other incidents that you and I have heard of (and the ones we haven&#8217;t).<br />
3) Wow. This was a great article. It has many aspects and I think it&#8217;s pivoting around your krappy experience with the FW update. I think you could make a deeper post in each of these items you list.<br />
4) (sticking my foot in my mouth) Sigh. What pains me most is that you CARE and you have to suffer such an experience. But, it&#8217;s sad to think of all the people who don&#8217;t care that we turned off. Gosh, that&#8217;s krap.<br />
5) (sticking foot deeper in mouth) Yeah, it&#8217;s obvious that sometimes the FW updater bricks a phone. Indeed, I hold my breath every time. But, it seems to be improving (it actually saved my son&#8217;s N81 user data &#8211; finally). And it&#8217;s been really popular. BUT, yeah the big BUT, maybe we should have been prepared for any of those rare instances when it BRICKS THE PHONE. Sigh.<br />
6) (last sticking of foot in mouth) Well, yeah, if you pay a lot for a device, there are certain expectations.</p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s keep this visible (even after anything gets fixed for you). Please don&#8217;t expect instantaneous responses, though, partly due to time zones (I am in Finland) and partly due to me liking to due my home work so as not to say something misleading, stupid, asinine, wrong, costly, and so forth (but don&#8217;t let me take too long to respond). <img src='http://www.contentious.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I hope mojo and MsJen can vouch for me. <img src='http://www.contentious.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8216;Later<br />
Hey, and I&#8217;d like to excerpt a few of these comments from you and Beth. I&#8217;ll try to post something by end of day today.</p>
<p>Ok?</p>
<p>Ta.</p>
<p>Charlie</p>
<p>PS As for sales price, distribution channels, etc, let&#8217;s see if we can split those discussion up instead of all on one place. Also, for me, at least, those are much bigger issues than I can respond to. Though it&#8217;ll be circulated for comment and any action. Ja?</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Gahran</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/21/nokia-usa-its-not-your-intermediaries-its-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1218986</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Gahran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Antoine. I think you&#039;re right -- if Nokia hopes to make headway in the high-end US phone market (especially considering Apple&#039;s head start toward that goal), they absolutely must address their US service and firmware update problems. 

I&#039;m sad -- but not surprised -- to hear that you&#039;re another potential N95 owners who&#039;s holding off from buying because of these considerable problems.

And Mark: Thanks much for joining this conversation. I&#039;ve very happy to see you here, that&#039;s encouraging! I&#039;ve responded to you in a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/23/nokia-usa-again-your-service-not-product-is-the-problem/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new post&lt;/a&gt;. I hope we hear more from you and Nokia about this as we all work to address these issues -- either here or (even better) on Nokia&#039;s new &lt;a href=&quot;conversations.nokia.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Conversations blog&lt;/a&gt;.

- Amy Gahran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Antoine. I think you&#8217;re right &#8212; if Nokia hopes to make headway in the high-end US phone market (especially considering Apple&#8217;s head start toward that goal), they absolutely must address their US service and firmware update problems. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sad &#8212; but not surprised &#8212; to hear that you&#8217;re another potential N95 owners who&#8217;s holding off from buying because of these considerable problems.</p>
<p>And Mark: Thanks much for joining this conversation. I&#8217;ve very happy to see you here, that&#8217;s encouraging! I&#8217;ve responded to you in a <a href="http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/23/nokia-usa-again-your-service-not-product-is-the-problem/" rel="nofollow">new post</a>. I hope we hear more from you and Nokia about this as we all work to address these issues &#8212; either here or (even better) on Nokia&#8217;s new <a href="conversations.nokia.com" rel="nofollow">Conversations blog</a>.</p>
<p>- Amy Gahran</p>
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		<title>By: contentious.com - Nokia USA: Again, your service (not product) is the problem</title>
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		<dc:creator>contentious.com - Nokia USA: Again, your service (not product) is the problem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that yet another Nokia staffer, Mark Squires (Nokia&#8217;s Director of Corporate Communications) left a comment on my blog. He wrote: &#8220;Hi Amy, I work with Charlie at Nokia and have just tracked to your [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that yet another Nokia staffer, Mark Squires (Nokia&#8217;s Director of Corporate Communications) left a comment on my blog. He wrote: &#8220;Hi Amy, I work with Charlie at Nokia and have just tracked to your [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Antoine of MMM</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/21/nokia-usa-its-not-your-intermediaries-its-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1218962</link>
		<dc:creator>Antoine of MMM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caught this link over at Nokia Conversations; first off, great post, and something that I think Nokia will definitely have to address either from the scope of the entire organization, or specifically how they are doing customer-facing/interacting services with US customers since we are (like APAC) a different market.

The UX on the side of updating devices painlessly is being addressed, however the N95 NAM/N95 8GB NAM models do not seem to have reaped any of that love yet. Tis a shame really; because that (and present finances) is what is holding me back from purchasing one.

Hooked into your blog now, and so hopefully there will be some kind of response soon. Blessings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caught this link over at Nokia Conversations; first off, great post, and something that I think Nokia will definitely have to address either from the scope of the entire organization, or specifically how they are doing customer-facing/interacting services with US customers since we are (like APAC) a different market.</p>
<p>The UX on the side of updating devices painlessly is being addressed, however the N95 NAM/N95 8GB NAM models do not seem to have reaped any of that love yet. Tis a shame really; because that (and present finances) is what is holding me back from purchasing one.</p>
<p>Hooked into your blog now, and so hopefully there will be some kind of response soon. Blessings.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Squires</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/21/nokia-usa-its-not-your-intermediaries-its-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1218954</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Squires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Amy, I work with Charlie at Nokia and have just tracked to your posts. First up sorry that one of our phones has rolled over on you and thank you for your input/thoughts/patience. Charlie and I are based outside of the US but I&#039;ve written to my colleagues who are local to you and brought this matter to their attention. Lets see what can be done, in the mean time feel free to get in tough directly. Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Amy, I work with Charlie at Nokia and have just tracked to your posts. First up sorry that one of our phones has rolled over on you and thank you for your input/thoughts/patience. Charlie and I are based outside of the US but I&#8217;ve written to my colleagues who are local to you and brought this matter to their attention. Lets see what can be done, in the mean time feel free to get in tough directly. Mark</p>
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