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	<title>Comments on: Overhauling J-School Completely</title>
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	<description>Amy Gahran's news and musings on how we communicate in the online age.</description>
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		<title>By: swee</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/16/overhauling-j-school-completely/#comment-1222676</link>
		<dc:creator>swee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy, I think Wordpress is just as good for any journalist who wants to have a one-man/woman-run online news. Otherwise, if scalability is an issue, then Joomla can be considered. Depending on what you are looking for actually. Personally I have customised Wordpress to be quite a good Online news portal. The categories section and tagging can all be customised quite easily in a lesson shorter than it would take to read all the comments here. If anyone is interested, just Google "Wordpress as News Content Management" and you will have quite a handful to enlighten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy, I think Wordpress is just as good for any journalist who wants to have a one-man/woman-run online news. Otherwise, if scalability is an issue, then Joomla can be considered. Depending on what you are looking for actually. Personally I have customised Wordpress to be quite a good Online news portal. The categories section and tagging can all be customised quite easily in a lesson shorter than it would take to read all the comments here. If anyone is interested, just Google &#8220;Wordpress as News Content Management&#8221; and you will have quite a handful to enlighten.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Hirst</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/16/overhauling-j-school-completely/#comment-1222674</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Hirst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm in the process of shifting from using html (a la dreamweaver) to a cms (wordpress) for my student publication next semester.
I think this is the way to go, but I still think it's hard to keep up. I'm spending my research funds on upskilling myself in blogs and cms and all sorts of stuff.

My big question is how do we convince reluctant colleagues, both within j-ed and in other areas of communication studies (whom we deal with daily) that we should be allowed to totally overhaul the curriculum.

And how do we convince print-centric industry bodies that they have to get with the programme, not get in the way.
Advice appreciated.
Marty
PS, I'll be in the US, in early september, if you're in LA, San Fran or any where near the Missouri School of Journalism around 10 Sept, I'd love to catch up. There's a great $2 martini bar in Columbia Missouri, and I'll be there for at least one drink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the process of shifting from using html (a la dreamweaver) to a cms (wordpress) for my student publication next semester.<br />
I think this is the way to go, but I still think it&#8217;s hard to keep up. I&#8217;m spending my research funds on upskilling myself in blogs and cms and all sorts of stuff.</p>
<p>My big question is how do we convince reluctant colleagues, both within j-ed and in other areas of communication studies (whom we deal with daily) that we should be allowed to totally overhaul the curriculum.</p>
<p>And how do we convince print-centric industry bodies that they have to get with the programme, not get in the way.<br />
Advice appreciated.<br />
Marty<br />
PS, I&#8217;ll be in the US, in early september, if you&#8217;re in LA, San Fran or any where near the Missouri School of Journalism around 10 Sept, I&#8217;d love to catch up. There&#8217;s a great $2 martini bar in Columbia Missouri, and I&#8217;ll be there for at least one drink.</p>
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		<title>By: darleene</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/16/overhauling-j-school-completely/#comment-1218623</link>
		<dc:creator>darleene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sean: I'm not so sure that requiring two internships is the equivalent of gentrification. I only did one (which was technically a fellowship at the Arizona Republic, and paid), but did a bunch of other small jobs (paid) that were the equivalent to internships: working with a dot com in 1999, working as a webmaster, overnight/holiday shifts at a wire service, picking up tiny community stories for a local rag. I was no trust fund kid, neither was my husband, yet here we are, working in journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sean: I&#8217;m not so sure that requiring two internships is the equivalent of gentrification. I only did one (which was technically a fellowship at the Arizona Republic, and paid), but did a bunch of other small jobs (paid) that were the equivalent to internships: working with a dot com in 1999, working as a webmaster, overnight/holiday shifts at a wire service, picking up tiny community stories for a local rag. I was no trust fund kid, neither was my husband, yet here we are, working in journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Swee</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/16/overhauling-j-school-completely/#comment-1218619</link>
		<dc:creator>Swee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with Andy about Wordpress not being a CMS for the industry, I think if you are in online news publishing, you should choose CMS to fit your needs. A community paper may derive great benefits from Wordpress while a county gazette may exploit the strengths of bigger CMS such as Joomla and Drupal. I have dealt with a number, including the little heard-of Zope. Be that as it may, Wordpress certainly allows for easy customisation and installation. Hacks are a plenty and the tags, pages, pre-publishing feature and a host of others in Wordpress still make it my preferred choice of a good start-up CMS. And I think Amy is right in saying it is superior - It is, and in a lot of ways. For one, Wordpress files are generated to be SEO friendly with keyword tags (unlike proprietary systems such as Asp, etc. which you need to customise). Another is it is free and lots help are available. And for a one-person online publishing unit, Wordpress is hosted everywhere and takes less than two hours to sign-up, host, install and start posting. Templates too are widely available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with Andy about Wordpress not being a CMS for the industry, I think if you are in online news publishing, you should choose CMS to fit your needs. A community paper may derive great benefits from Wordpress while a county gazette may exploit the strengths of bigger CMS such as Joomla and Drupal. I have dealt with a number, including the little heard-of Zope. Be that as it may, Wordpress certainly allows for easy customisation and installation. Hacks are a plenty and the tags, pages, pre-publishing feature and a host of others in Wordpress still make it my preferred choice of a good start-up CMS. And I think Amy is right in saying it is superior - It is, and in a lot of ways. For one, Wordpress files are generated to be SEO friendly with keyword tags (unlike proprietary systems such as Asp, etc. which you need to customise). Another is it is free and lots help are available. And for a one-person online publishing unit, Wordpress is hosted everywhere and takes less than two hours to sign-up, host, install and start posting. Templates too are widely available.</p>
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		<title>By: paul canning</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/16/overhauling-j-school-completely/#comment-1218589</link>
		<dc:creator>paul canning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey amy, thanks for the link to my vague waffling ;] got to love arianna... truly been a FAN for, ow jeez, is it that long? you pioneer, you ...

nb: James Ball at some London school or other sez they're all on the ball there - wouldya believe it. brits on the ball ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey amy, thanks for the link to my vague waffling ;] got to love arianna&#8230; truly been a FAN for, ow jeez, is it that long? you pioneer, you &#8230;</p>
<p>nb: James Ball at some London school or other sez they&#8217;re all on the ball there - wouldya believe it. brits on the ball &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Gahran</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/16/overhauling-j-school-completely/#comment-1218588</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Gahran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean Blanda wrote:

&gt;“Require at least two internships” Until they pay, this policy is the equivalent of gentrification&lt;

Honestly, Sean, that's a very shortsighted view. I went to Temple U for j-school, and I all students there were required to take at least two internships. I did at least 4, maybe 5 (Hey, it's been a long time) -- but I know only two of these were paid.

That said, my internships were by far the most valuable part of my journalism education. Which is why I voluntarily did more than was required.  I learned far more through experience than in the classroom. I felt that a big part of what my tuition went for was for access to those internships. Not getting paid for them was not a concern for me.

YMMV, of course. 

- Amy Gahran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean Blanda wrote:</p>
<p>>“Require at least two internships” Until they pay, this policy is the equivalent of gentrification<</p>
<p>Honestly, Sean, that&#8217;s a very shortsighted view. I went to Temple U for j-school, and I all students there were required to take at least two internships. I did at least 4, maybe 5 (Hey, it&#8217;s been a long time) &#8212; but I know only two of these were paid.</p>
<p>That said, my internships were by far the most valuable part of my journalism education. Which is why I voluntarily did more than was required.  I learned far more through experience than in the classroom. I felt that a big part of what my tuition went for was for access to those internships. Not getting paid for them was not a concern for me.</p>
<p>YMMV, of course. </p>
<p>- Amy Gahran</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Gahran</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/16/overhauling-j-school-completely/#comment-1218587</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Gahran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter -- I honestly don't know the % of journalists who get into that field via j-school. I know several working journalists who did not go to j-school. It's definitely not an absolute requirement.

That said, with newsroom staffs shrinking constantly and quickly, this is now an extremely competitive job market. It's an especially bad time to try to get a journalism job without any training. That's an expensive proposition from the employer's perspective.

So if you don't have a journo degree or very relevant experience, you'd better have some other great skills to demonstrably offer unique value to the news org or other employer. Community management, ability to create interactive maps, and database mashups are good examples.

- Amy Gahran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter &#8212; I honestly don&#8217;t know the % of journalists who get into that field via j-school. I know several working journalists who did not go to j-school. It&#8217;s definitely not an absolute requirement.</p>
<p>That said, with newsroom staffs shrinking constantly and quickly, this is now an extremely competitive job market. It&#8217;s an especially bad time to try to get a journalism job without any training. That&#8217;s an expensive proposition from the employer&#8217;s perspective.</p>
<p>So if you don&#8217;t have a journo degree or very relevant experience, you&#8217;d better have some other great skills to demonstrably offer unique value to the news org or other employer. Community management, ability to create interactive maps, and database mashups are good examples.</p>
<p>- Amy Gahran</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Gahran</title>
		<link>http://www.contentious.com/2008/04/16/overhauling-j-school-completely/#comment-1218586</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Gahran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy -- thanks for commenting

Yes, I agree Wordpress is not the kind of CMS journos would probably be using if employed by a major mainstream news org. Honestly, in many ways it's probably superior :-)

But the point of using even a basic but functional and customizable CMS like Wordpress is to get journos use to thinking of content in modular terms, understandinghow tags and categories make their work more findable, understanding the importance of feeds, and generally getting a bit of a feel for information architecture. 

Any CMS is just a tool that can be learned, and these tools are constantly changing, fast. Any tool you learn in school will be outdated soon afterward. But the first hurdle is to understand why using a real CMS is important, what options it offers, and how much journalists can do on their own without having to go begging to an IT staff.

- Amy Gahran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy &#8212; thanks for commenting</p>
<p>Yes, I agree Wordpress is not the kind of CMS journos would probably be using if employed by a major mainstream news org. Honestly, in many ways it&#8217;s probably superior <img src='http://www.contentious.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But the point of using even a basic but functional and customizable CMS like Wordpress is to get journos use to thinking of content in modular terms, understandinghow tags and categories make their work more findable, understanding the importance of feeds, and generally getting a bit of a feel for information architecture. </p>
<p>Any CMS is just a tool that can be learned, and these tools are constantly changing, fast. Any tool you learn in school will be outdated soon afterward. But the first hurdle is to understand why using a real CMS is important, what options it offers, and how much journalists can do on their own without having to go begging to an IT staff.</p>
<p>- Amy Gahran</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Blanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Blanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Require at least two internships"

Until they pay, this policy is the equivalent of gentrification</description>
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<p>Until they pay, this policy is the equivalent of gentrification</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Comings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Comings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many journalists reach their careers through journalism school? I really like the scheme you've outlined. To me it starts to sound like a liberal arts degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many journalists reach their careers through journalism school? I really like the scheme you&#8217;ve outlined. To me it starts to sound like a liberal arts degree.</p>
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