Comments on: What Bloggers and Journalists Can Learn from Each Other (part 4) http://www.contentious.com/2005/05/10/what-bloggers-and-journalists-can-learn-from-each-other/ Amy Gahran's news and musings on how we communicate in the online age. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:36:42 +0000 hourly 1 By: Blogging 101: Teaching Traditional Journalist a Bloggers Ways « Monica's Blog http://www.contentious.com/2005/05/10/what-bloggers-and-journalists-can-learn-from-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-1230357 Blogging 101: Teaching Traditional Journalist a Bloggers Ways « Monica's Blog Fri, 02 Apr 2010 06:43:59 +0000 #comment-1230357 [...] not trying to compete to be the first to get a breaking news story out. When traditional journalist worry about their competition they rush to get the story in and don’t take the time to really think about what they write. If [...] [...] not trying to compete to be the first to get a breaking news story out. When traditional journalist worry about their competition they rush to get the story in and don’t take the time to really think about what they write. If [...]

]]> By: VOQ http://www.contentious.com/2005/05/10/what-bloggers-and-journalists-can-learn-from-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-19019 VOQ Wed, 18 May 2005 22:09:50 +0000 #comment-19019 <trackback /><strong>What Bloggers and Journalists Can Learn from Each Other (part 4)</strong> What Bloggers and Jour... What Bloggers and Journalists Can Learn from Each Other (part 4)
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]]> By: Koan Bremner http://www.contentious.com/2005/05/10/what-bloggers-and-journalists-can-learn-from-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-18886 Koan Bremner Sat, 14 May 2005 04:27:14 +0000 #comment-18886 As a blogger with absolutely *no* journalistic training or experience at all, posts like this are a mine of useful tips and links to help me bring more journalistic rigour to my writing, hopefully without stifling the immediacy and "voice" which I'm trying to project. Many thanks, Amy! As a blogger with absolutely *no* journalistic training or experience at all, posts like this are a mine of useful tips and links to help me bring more journalistic rigour to my writing, hopefully without stifling the immediacy and “voice” which I’m trying to project. Many thanks, Amy!

]]> By: Aimee Kessler Evans http://www.contentious.com/2005/05/10/what-bloggers-and-journalists-can-learn-from-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-18885 Aimee Kessler Evans Fri, 13 May 2005 20:19:31 +0000 #comment-18885 Smart. As the lines between "blogger" and "journalist" fade to nothingness, these are important observations. While blogging is more "human" than journalism, if we're going to continue to differentiate the two, journalism remains more "professional" in its fact and grammar checking. That said, the line is fading -- quickly. PR professionals are already "leveraging" blogs for their PR strategies - sometimes deviously, sometimes with the respect reserved for editors. As the fade continues, bloggers had better learn to be responsible (and accountable) for their content, and traditional journalists had best be ready for competition and a necessary change in style - including "link love", and above all, transparency. (Didn't I hear that the Today show team was going start blogging? Good case in point - they could use a little transparency!) Smart. As the lines between “blogger” and “journalist” fade to nothingness, these are important observations. While blogging is more “human” than journalism, if we’re going to continue to differentiate the two, journalism remains more “professional” in its fact and grammar checking. That said, the line is fading — quickly. PR professionals are already “leveraging” blogs for their PR strategies – sometimes deviously, sometimes with the respect reserved for editors. As the fade continues, bloggers had better learn to be responsible (and accountable) for their content, and traditional journalists had best be ready for competition and a necessary change in style – including “link love”, and above all, transparency. (Didn’t I hear that the Today show team was going start blogging? Good case in point – they could use a little transparency!)

]]> By: Laura Bergells http://www.contentious.com/2005/05/10/what-bloggers-and-journalists-can-learn-from-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-18818 Laura Bergells Wed, 11 May 2005 20:53:09 +0000 #comment-18818 I liked your blog "Are Bloggers Journalists? (And Who Cares?)". But really, I do care! I've noticed that Journalists are now "doin' it bloggy style." Case in point: here's a quote from Bob Allen, a daily columnist for Crain's Detroit Business (actual URL is http://www.crainsdetroit.com/cgi-bin/editorsChoice.pl?newsId=3306) on how he develops his daily article: "I visit upward of several dozen Web sites and sift through e-mailed suggestions from co-workers, readers, family members and friends. I try to pick some serious stuff, along with as much weirdness as I can find. The actual writing takes, oh, 30-45 minutes. And that’s generally the way it goes, day after day, with a few exceptions." I know: he's a columnist, not a journalist. But doesn't it sound like a blogger? As long as the fact-checking, interviewing, identifying sources, et. al., is all in place, all might be well. But is there something about the bloggy style of writing that lends itself to skip a few of the critical details? After all, if a journalist is simply hanging out by his/her computer, waiting for stories...where's the incentive to actively pursue critical new angles, or get stories first hand? And is the hybrid of journalism/blogging going to make readers more skeptical and more analytical about the information they consume? More likely to question and raise comments? (Golly, I hope so!) I liked your blog “Are Bloggers Journalists? (And Who Cares?)”. But really, I do care!

I’ve noticed that Journalists are now “doin’ it bloggy style.”

Case in point: here’s a quote from Bob Allen, a daily columnist for Crain’s Detroit Business (actual URL is http://www.crainsdetroit.com/cgi-bin/editorsChoice.pl?newsId=3306) on how he develops his daily article:

“I visit upward of several dozen Web sites and sift through e-mailed suggestions from co-workers, readers, family members and friends. I try to pick some serious stuff, along with as much weirdness as I can find. The actual writing takes, oh, 30-45 minutes. And that’s generally the way it goes, day after day, with a few exceptions.”

I know: he’s a columnist, not a journalist. But doesn’t it sound like a blogger?

As long as the fact-checking, interviewing, identifying sources, et. al., is all in place, all might be well.

But is there something about the bloggy style of writing that lends itself to skip a few of the critical details? After all, if a journalist is simply hanging out by his/her computer, waiting for stories…where’s the incentive to actively pursue critical new angles, or get stories first hand?

And is the hybrid of journalism/blogging going to make readers more skeptical and more analytical about the information they consume? More likely to question and raise comments?

(Golly, I hope so!)

]]> By: think again, ideascape moves people to action http://www.contentious.com/2005/05/10/what-bloggers-and-journalists-can-learn-from-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-18814 think again, ideascape moves people to action Wed, 11 May 2005 15:26:14 +0000 #comment-18814 <trackback /><strong>Blogging with Smarts and Guts</strong> The ever generous and insightful Steve Rubel from Micro Persuasion offers the most down to earth advice for any business about who should be blogging for the company. Steve says, " Blogging with Smarts and Guts
The ever generous and insightful Steve Rubel from Micro Persuasion offers the most down to earth advice for any business about who should be blogging for the company. Steve says, "

]]> By: Anna http://www.contentious.com/2005/05/10/what-bloggers-and-journalists-can-learn-from-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-18813 Anna Tue, 10 May 2005 19:57:28 +0000 #comment-18813 "Be transparent." Thinking literally, "transparency" could have two, diametrically opposed meanings in this context: "be transparent" as in "remodel the black box where your processes reside, install windows, or "make your processes invisible". Transparency of the former sort is preferable... (btw I wish Wordpress had a preview button, and a larger "comment" window...) “Be transparent.”
Thinking literally, “transparency” could have two, diametrically opposed meanings in this context:
“be transparent” as in “remodel the black box where your processes reside, install windows, or “make your processes invisible”.

Transparency of the former sort is preferable…

(btw I wish WordPress had a preview button, and a larger “comment” window…)

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