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Smashing Heads Does Not Open Minds

I’ve been reading another book by the sociolinguist Deborah Tannen: The Argument Culture: Stopping America’s War of Words (1998). It’s making me think hard about how people interact online and elsewhere; what’s assumed to be “the norm” for interaction, and how different groups experience interaction differently.

(UPDATE APR. 18: A public discussion event in London on Tues. Apr. 19, Venus Rising, at the Dana Centre, broaches the closely related topic of women and technology.)

Later on I’ll be posting some articles exploring the implications of Tannen’s observations to the blogosphere, online discussion forums, and journalism. But for now, to set the context, here’s an excerpt from the first chapter which encapsulates the book’s premise…


“…In the argument culture, criticism, attack, or opposition are the predominant if not the only ways of responding to people or ideas. …It is the automatic nature of this response that I am calling attention to – and calling into question. …What I question is the ubiquity, the knee-jerk nature, of approaching almost any issue, problem, or public person in an adversarial way. …What I question is using opposition to accomplish every goal, even those that do not require fighting but might also (or better) be accomplished by other means, such as exploring, expanding, discussing, investigating, and the exchanging of ideas suggested by the word “dialogue.” I am questioning the assumption that everything is a matter of polar opposites, the proverbial “two sides to every question,” that we think embodies open-mindedness and expansive thinking.

“In a word, the type of opposition I am questioning is what I call agonism. I use this term – which derives from the Greek word for “contest” (agonia), to mean an automatic warlike stance – not the literal opposition of fighting against an attacker… An agonistic response is, to me, a kind of programmed contentiousness – a prepatterned, unthinking use of fighting to accomplish goals that do not necessarily require it.

“…When you’re having an argument with someone, you’re usually not trying to understand what the other person is saying, or what in their experience leads them to say it. Instead, you’re readying your response: listening for weaknesses in logic to leap on, points you can distort to make the other person look bad and yourself look good.

“The argument culture limits the information we get rather than broadening it in another way. When a certain type of interaction is the norm, those who feel comfortable with that interaction will be drawn to participate, and those who do not feel comfortable with it recoil and go elsewhere. If public discourse included a broad range of [interaction] types, we would be making room for individuals with different temperaments to take part and contribute their perspectives and insights. But when debates, opposition, and fights overwhelmingly predominate, those who enjoy verbal sparring are likely to take part. …Those who cannot comfortably take part in oppositional discourse, or who do not wish to, are likely to opt out.

“I do not believe we should put aside the argument model of public discourse entirely, but we need to rethink whether this is the only way, or always the best way, to carry out our affairs. …This does not mean there can be no negativity, criticism, or disagreement. It simply means we can be more creative in our way of managing all of these, which are inevitable and useful. In dialogue, each statement that one person makes is qualified by someone else, until the series of statements and qualifications moves closer to a fuller truth. Dialogue does not preclude negativity. …In dialogue there is opposition, yes, but no head-on collision. Smashing heads does not open minds.”


OK, that’s enough for the excerpt. Food for thought. I’ll expand on this later when I have time. In the meantime, I’d like to hear your views on Tannen’s premise. Personally, I suspect this is a major underlying issue for the recent “Where are the female bloggers?” debate that rippled through the blogosphere, discussion groups, and even the mainstream media.

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8 Comments so far (Add 1 more)

  1. mmm… I have a thought that given the complexity of communication there can be any number of things going on in a discussion.

    I know people who argue for sport… it’s fencing to them.
    I know people who argue for superiority… because they feel inferior, or need to feel superior.
    I know people who argue in order to develop an idea, to make it better, creative conflict

    …and,

    I know people who don’t like to argue becuase they belief it’s personal
    I know people who don’t like to argue because they need to be liked
    and I know people who don’t like to argue because they feel it’s inelegant

    If “argument”, and “discussion” covers all of these types of communication, with all of these motivations… it’s difficult to discuss the “argumentative” or “Discussion” culture..
    They both mean so many different things to so many different people!
    Would a more detailed vocabulary help?

    The discourse of individuals with healthy self esteem, and a common goal, is maybe what’s needed?
    If we could transcend the argument and discussion dichotomy.. what would be the higher level? Innovation?

    an interested 2p worth ;o).. in an interesting “discussion” ;-)

    Regards, JB>

    1. Jason Bates on April 18th, 2005 at 2:31 pm
  2. List-servs these days are filled with internet “road rage.” Would that we all could post “kinder and gentler” disagreements!

    2. Paul Lewis on April 18th, 2005 at 9:03 am
  3. Contentious » Smashing Heads Does not Open Minds
    I meant to include this post of Amy’s in my (infamous?) Civility post–Contentious » Smashing Heads Does not Open Minds. The discussion …

    3. View from the Isle - Professional Blogging & Blog Consulting on April 16th, 2005 at 12:08 pm
  4. Roger, your description of your oppositional mode of thinking makes perfect sense, to me; but I suspect that it would intimidate many who would participate in discourse, but shy away from debate. It *shouldn’t*… but I suspect it would. As Devil’s Advocate, I’d say “well, if they won’t permit their ideas to be subject to scrutiny, why should I listen to them?” And the converse might be “if you won’t let me finish explaining my ideas before starting to pick them to pieces, then I won’t bother expressing them at all”. And maybe, just maybe, those unexpressed ideas hold powerful merit. Saying that someone shouldn’t be afraid of having their ideas critically examined doesn’t prevent some people (women *and* men) from not particpating at all, if they suspect (or know) that they won’t be allowed to finish explaining before the dissection starts.

    In my opinion, this isn’t about saying one mode of discourse is intrinsically better or worse; it *is* about saying that proponents of one mode of discourse should respect and permit other modes, for the purpose of idea *sharing*; if or when it’s then appropriate to really dissect and examine the pooled ideas, that’s when oppositional thinking and debate really come into their own; in my opinion only, of course! ;-)

    4. Koan Bremner on April 15th, 2005 at 12:05 am
  5. The problem I have with Tannen’s premise (or at least what I can see of it in this excerpt) is that she seems to be conflating “opposition” and “competition”.

    I’m an oppositional thinker. To me, ideas are software, and my instinct is to probe them for bugs and try to squash whatever I find. But I don’t see it as a competition in most circumstances.

    There’s no “winner” or “loser” in my mind, primarily because I seldom end up with the same perspective I had in the beginning. The process of “intellectual beta testing” leads me to spot as many holes in my own thinking as anything else.

    And when you get down to it, that’s the real essence of the issue. If you’re incapable of seeing your own flaws, if you can’t say “oops, my bad”, then it doesn’t really matter *how* you choose to interact.

    5. Roger Benningfield on April 14th, 2005 at 6:38 pm
  6. “Nobody ever wins an argument” - or at best, it’s a Pyrrhic victory. I have nothing against debates (I actually *like* debates); but there are, in my opinion, essential elements of an effective debate, which maximise the chances of it being a debate (and minimise the likelihood of it degenerating into an argument, or worse, personal attacks):

    1) All parties to the debate understand and respect the personal boundaries of the other participants (i.e. take the time to identify the debating styles of the participants, and not deliberately force someone outside of that style);

    2) Debate the points raised, not the person raising them.

    In my opinion, once one of those (or both) fails, then the debate’s usefulness is ended.

    Another perspective on this was raised in this post: http://www.bloggercon.org/2004/11/18#a2138

    Possibly as important is to recognise that there is a time for debating; and I believe it’s when the “discovery phase” (for want of a better phrase) is sufficiently mature. And that phase is where dialogue is most valuable; as a means of encouraging the sharing of the widest range of ideas and perspectives, in a supportive and non-judgmental manner. In a sufficiently mature environment, effective dialogue might preclude the need for debate altogether. In my opinion.

    On the subject of whether the prevalence of agonistic discourse is a factor in the “where are the female bloggers” question, well, I wouldn’t be surprised to find that’s the case.

    6. Koan Bremner on April 14th, 2005 at 1:34 pm
  7. Fascinating questions… A question for you: are you objecting to the “bashing”
    aspect or to the presumption in our society that it is the minds of “others”
    that need to be “opened”, rather than our own minds?

    Are you advocating “kindler, gentler” methods for manipulation of others, or
    are you in fact seeking to abandon the whole concept of “influencing” others,
    in favor of communities based on affinity rather than “influence”?

    Maybe this is in fact one of the benefits of the internet, the web, online
    communities, etc. There’s a greater focus and reward for affinity than
    manipulative “influence”. Voting with your feet (using your fingers), is
    an awesome ability.

    “Joining” in cyberspace has far less to do with submitting to someone’s
    “influence” than simply acknowledging mutual affinity.

    Sure, cyberspace is raging with “net flames”, but I would surmise that if you
    discount the inevitiable squeaky wheels, there is relatively far more harmony
    than discord in cyberspace than in the real world.

    – Jack Krupansky

    7. Jack Krupansky on April 14th, 2005 at 1:34 pm
  8. I agree 100%. I spent two years in Japan, and have a brother who spent two years in Taiwan. I recall after I returned to the states discussing with him how nice it was over there to be able to operate from the basic assumption that people you were conversing with were making an effort to understand what you were trying to say. Because of the importance of saving face (and therefore also the importance of not shaming others) in those cultures, listening carefully enough to catch subtle hints is very important. It is generally considered rude to contradict or refuse someone outright, and it really isn’t too difficult to learn to recognize the more subtle ways that people have of saying no or disagreeing.

    In the US, by contrast, many people consider it entirely the responsibility of the person attempting to communicate an idea to ensure that they are understood, even if that means taking fairly drastic measures to practically force others to shut up, listen, and think about what you’re trying to say. Very annoying.

    Of course, there’s a downside to aversion to conflict (as opposed to just a preference for cooperative communication)–too much group think, too much conformity, etc.

    I think that we on this side of the pond tend to be afraid that empathizing with those with whom we disagree will comprimize our own individuality.

    8. Antone Roundy on April 14th, 2005 at 1:33 pm